I disagree with most of what you’re saying, but wont go into great detail because that seems like really off topic. But there’s victim blaming in this post that is not ok. At least that’s how it reads to me. Also, I think it’s really disrespectful to just dissmiss it as being sensitive to “dumb comments”. I’ve been called a tomboy most of my life because of my interests (superheroes, videogames, hockey) and that seriously pissed me off. Those things are considered “guy-things” and in peoples eyes I’m considered less of a women because of those interests. That’s problematic. And while it just pissed me off it might actually make other people change. Especially when they’re young. It can be really hard going against the norm.
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This is not a false statistic. Unlike you I do remember where these stats came from, here are just a few of the links.
So you’re saying that men and women aren’t equal, but while women are feeling the negative aspects of it, we shouldn’t try to promote a philosophy that will help us to get there someday? I get that some members of the opposite sex will always hate the other, but we basically shouldn’t try to make ourselves equal cause it will never happen. Ok.
I’m not even going to explain why this is so wrong. How do you know it doesn’t happen often? No one will consciously let society stop them, only people with this mindset that blame women for not being able to achieve their goals when society pushes them down.
You’re right, they don’t. But as I’ve explained women have equal legal rights (aside from those trying to make abortion illegal which is a tragedy in itself) therefore physical evidence is hard to obtain. As it is mindset that is currently a reason why women aren’t equal, anecdotes are all I have. I haven’t been legally discriminated against (I’m a student therefore the pay gap has not affected me, yet), but I have been verbally and physically discriminated against, as well as many other women have. It’s experience that shows me I need feminism. Many other women feel unsafe due to mindsets of others thinking they are above them, have a read of some other survivors stories of being discriminated against, they’re everywhere.
Ok, so I was sensitive when I was jogging and the teenage boys said, “let me touch your as*”, Yeah, of course I get it. I was a snowflake, I was sensitive. I mean only wanting to go for a jog and having boys crowd you and ask things that degrade you is perfectly fine. No feminism needed, these boys don’t need to be educated that women are equal and they cannot just randomly ask to touch them in private places.
I agree with all of this, apart from the last few points. Sexual assault should be reported when it happens 100% of the time. However, there are many reasons that it isn’t. It isn’t because ‘you’re feeling a certain way’, sexual assault is a terrifying thing. People don’t report for many reasons, fear of not being believed, people saying how it will affect the attackers life, being scared by the attacker into silence. If someone told me they didn’t report their assault, I wouldn’t be angry. It should be reported, but there are reasons it isn’t.
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I hate those gender stereotypical mess. It’s annoying. 
I love those both! Though my family does not judge me for it, some others have and it’s rude and straight up ignorant.
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LOL that’s fair.
I understand. I like researching, too, but sometimes it can be draining and make you feel really sad. So I try to keep my research to a minimum when it comes to serious topics. T.T
@cutlass there’s nothing wrong with disagreeing. I didn’t feel like I was victim blaming, and I’m sorry if it comes off that way, as I’ve been a victim in the past. I know it isn’t the victim’s fault, and I wouldn’t suggest so. What sounded like victim blaming, maybe I can rephrase it?
And, yeah, just my opinion that people make silly comments and other people choose to be offended by them. It just depends on the person. Some people are more sensitive than others, there’s nothing wrong with that, either.
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People don’t ‘choose’ to be affected by random comments because they’re just ‘sensitive’. This is the exact same argument racists use to try and say systemic racism isn’t real. You seem like a lovely person, but this isn’t true. Sexism isn’t just ‘offhand comments’. It’s the society that permits the unequal treatment of both sexes in albeit different ways. Those ‘offhand comments’ can have severe affects on both sexes when it’s constant, degrading, deeply ingrained societal norms that should be challenged
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This!! 
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I worked in a make-up shop, I love to watch/read/write romance, dramas and good Lord is fashion interesting.
I got a lot of shit for that as a guy, sexism does kinda suck for everybody
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Yeah it does. And I hate it when people keep going on this thought it only happens to women. Just because it “typically” happens to women, doesn’t mean a man can’t go through it.
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I could handle it personally. Not because im ‘not sensitive’ but because I forced myself through it, which according to my therapist, caused issues in and of itself
As someone who helped teach abuse victims self defence, if any of the instructors had said ‘those things people are saying? You just need to get over It, you’re being sensitive’. They’d get kicked out of the gym
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Which they deserve!
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Realistically they wouldn’t have passed the initial counselling xD
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Alright, sweet ^^
The first problem I have with this that you cited is that it combines a lot of these things together to make it seem like it happens a lot more than it does “attempted forced” isn’t rape itself, it is attempted rape. They’re two different things. That’s part of the 1 in 5 statistic.
Stalking is literally included in this statistic, that’s why it is false. Stalking isn’t rape or even sexual violence. It’s creepy and wrong and rude and could lead to something else, but the stalking itself, like the study shows…that’s just >.>
" the three primary types of
violence examined in the survey
– sexual violence, stalking, and
violence by an intimate partner. "
So how is rape defined by the sample of people they used, as well? Anyone can say something happened, it doesn’t make it true.
“have experienced rape, physical
violence, and/or stalking by an
intimate partner in their lifetime.” - these aren’t all rape.
It has to be defined correctly. I can accept that 1 in 5 people are sexually harassed, but 1 in 5 raped is ludicrous.
Women aren’t the only ones that feel negative aspects of not being equal to others. Women aren’t special, they don’t get special treatment and they never should.
I feel like anybody with a victim mentality puts themselves there. If you want to be a victim and find sexist nonsense everywhere you look, you will. You will find it if you’re looking for it, if you truly believe you are a victim. That doesn’t make you one, though.
Cat-calling is rude, but it isn’t oppression, lol. Groping someone without consent is wrong as hell, but it isn’t rape.
Indeed, glad that we found some common ground ^^
I don’t think society in general promotes sexism. Perhaps I believe it takes a lot more to be sexist, which is fine.
So telling a girl, “You shouldn’t want to be in science. How about you become a nurse instead?” Isn’t sexist, in my opinion, it has to be taken a step further for it to really be sexism.
I feel like that’s where i disagree about a lot of things with people.
Telling a girl something like, “You can’t be a scientist because girls aren’t smart enough.” Is kinda sexist, though…>.>
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I mean, isn’t it sexist? If you tell a girl they’d be better off in a different field when you have nothing to do with it, makes said commentator personally sexist. Because they feel women should be in pre-defined roles simply due to their physical sex. Which, especially in the medical world, is nonsense. But that’s ostensibly harmless right? I mean, it’s not. It can cause issues when classmates and family tell young girls that they can’t be a doctor, that they can’t be a surgeon, or an astronaut, or a vet. Because they’re girls. It affects their outlook on life as they grow up. Some may be able to break from That, but the need to do that also causes mental stress thay will rear it’s its head in later life.
However, it does get taken to another level. What happens when those same classmates get into positions of power? Say, as employers. As politicians. Then you see the problem. The person telling this woman that she should be a nurse, that her medical school training doesn’t amount to as much as her fellow male student, even if their scores are the same, isn’t separate now. Now this is The person who decides if she gets the job.
I didn’t want to have to explain socio-economics because it uses hypotheticals to abstract issues that do happen in the real world, these hyptheticals can be easily disregarded if you choose not to listen unfortunately. But this is how society works. The expectation put on men to work harder, kill themselves supporting their family and never show how much it affects them is also incredibly damaging.
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That’s fair.
When those people who say that have grown up and are in the world of business, they see a resume and they will pick whoever they feel is best for their company regardless of gender, race, etc.
It is bad for business and foolish otherwise and most people that are leaders understand that. It’s the small people that don’t always get that.
I would also wish that the 1 in 5 statistic was false. I really would, it would make me feel better knowing it was nonsense. But findings tell me the opposite. That it is real, though not as widespread as some on the left will have you believe, it is applicable to college campuses across America unfortunately
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Wrong. Internalized biases will always get in the way
I don’t see what you see.
It also does depend on your definition of sexual assault though. So…to some people, cat-calling is a type of sexual assault, but to me, it isn’t. So, shrugs.
We disagree on this. So we can just let it go.
I’m glad we were able to have a civilized discourse, though. <3 <3 You have no idea how much I truly appreciate nice, chill conversations.
True, you do seem reasonable. I find it unfortunate, and ill look more into the CSA study but at the minute I have to strongly disagree.
Either way, thanks for at least listening to my point of view
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Yeah! I’d recommend checking out that FBI study I cited, too. That’s what I usually base my stances on. I look at that and then I also love looking at other articles and places that either support or conflict with my opinion. I love hearing other peoples’ points of views! I think it is really important. <3 <3
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