DISCUSSION : Stories with Cliche Plots (2)


#1

I know there is already alot of talk of Cliches, but I always try to make my DISCUSSIONS guided in some way, and my goal with this one (as I’ve been stalling creating lel) is to not make it as bashful, but prehaps make the typer think for a bit.

  1. What is your description of a cliche? /// Try not to give an example
    1a. I don’t want to see ‘Gangs are Cliche’ okayyy but what is a CLICHE?
  2. Why do you think people know they are writing cliches?
  3. Is there a demand for cliches? Will the demand ever go away?
  4. Why do you think the forums has always been so anti - cliche?
    4a. Can this ever be changed?
    4b. Has the forums ALWAYS been this way?
    4c. Benefits / Disadvantages of being so anti - cliche?
  5. Has there been trends in cliches?
  6. If a creative plot has cliche characters, is that a cliche?
    6a. If unique characters have a cliche plot, is that a cliche?
  7. If every story idea has been used before, how many times does it have to be used to enter the cliche category.
  8. Was your first story idea, a cliche?
    8a. Are you a sucker for a specific type of story? (cliche or not)

DISCUSSION : Stories with Cliche Plots
#2

@Jeremy or @Sydney_H could you combine

this topic with this one?


#3

I know there is already alot of talk of Cliches, but I always try to make my DISCUSSIONS guided in some way, and my goal with this one (as I’ve been stalling creating lel) is to not make it as bashful, but prehaps make the typer think for a bit.

  1. What is your description of a cliche? /// Try not to give an example
    1a. I don’t want to see ‘Gangs are Cliche’ okayyy but what is a CLICHE?
  2. Why do you think people know they are writing cliches?
  3. Is there a demand for cliches? Will the demand ever go away?
  4. Why do you think the forums has always been so anti - cliche?
    4a. Can this ever be changed?
    4b. Has the forums ALWAYS been this way?
    4c. Benefits / Disadvantages of being so anti - cliche?
  5. Has there been trends in cliches?
  6. If a creative plot has cliche characters, is that a cliche?
    6a. If unique characters have a cliche plot, is that a cliche?
  7. If every story idea has been used before, how many times does it have to be used to enter the cliche category.
  8. Was your first story idea, a cliche?
    8a. Are you a sucker for a specific type of story? (cliche or not)

My other Discussions
Stories with Male Protagonists
Stories within the Comedy Genre
Stories with Cliche Plots
Stories and the Fanmail that comes with them
Stories that NEVER leave the trending
Stories with Multiple Endings


#4
  1. My description of a cliché would be something that’s been way overused to the point that it makes something so predictable that it’s not even a challenge to figure out what happens next (therefore uninteresting to finish).
  2. People know they are writing clichés because we’ve all heard them. We know what they are. They’re everywhere if you know how to find them.
  3. I’m not really sure if there’s a demand for clichés. I’m sure some clichés are more in demand than others. Everyone has their preference. Most likely the demand will never go away.
  4. Because clichés are sometimes overused to the point that it could feel like you could read ten stories by ten different authors and still be reading the same story, some people get sick of that and crave something new.
    4a. I don’t think it’ll ever change.
    4b. I can’t say for sure because I only started paying attention to the forums last summer but for me I guess it has always been that way.
    4c. Benefits- it encourages people to think outside the box / Disadvantages- it makes people feel anxious over whether their story is “too unoriginal”.
  5. No question about it there are definitely trends in clichés.
  6. In my opinion, if you’re putting an effort into making a creative plot then it’s not cliché, even if your character archetypes are.
    6a. Similar to what I answered for the previous question, if you’re making an effort to create a diverse set of characters for your story then no it’s not cliché. Even if the plot is considered cliché.
  7. I guess it has to be used a crud load of times to enter the category of “cliché”.
  8. To answer this question, I refer to the working title of the first episode story I’ve been working on: “Who Kidnapped my Bad-boy Mafia Boyfriend that Got me Pregnant?”. I’m pretty sure I’ve transcended the cliché spectrum.
    8a. I don’t have any specific story favorites, cliché or not. Usually I go by genre like comedy or mystery

#5
  1. Something that’s overdone. Usually a plot. If you know what’s going to happen next, you’re probably reading a cliche.
  2. They might be overdone, but they’re interesting. You can pick one or two cliche story lines and branch off into a million other ideas. There’s a lot you can work with, so every cliche turns out a little different.
  3. Yes, I think there’s a demand. I don’t think that will change, but I think what’s considered cliche could change. So there’ll always be a market for cliche, but it will be different content.
  4. I guess you get to a point where you read too many cliches, that you sorta crave to see something different? Or often it’s times where people are doing something different and they’re frustrated that they’re drowning in a sea of cliches.
    4a. I guess so, but should it change is the real question? I think being anti cliche pushes people to think outside the box, so I don’t think it’s such a bad thing per say.
    4b. I don’t know, haven’t been here that long… :confused:
    4c. I think pushing people to think outside the box and challenge themselves is a big positive, but sometimes… it gets a bit borderline bullying when people bash up other authors. I imagine there are a lot of people scared to ask for reviews for fear of getting ripped apart just for being cliche.
  5. Yes. Is it even a cliche if it doesn’t start to pop up in stories everywhere?
  6. Well, I’d consider that cliche characters. Not a cliche plot.
    6a. Vice versa.
  7. I don’t think there’s a specific number, but if you can guess the ending, or even just what’s going to happen next, consider it cliche.
  8. Yes, I think so.
    8a. No; as long as it’s well written, I’ll read it.

#6

I had to read that title twice to make sure I read it correctly

Do you want to give an example of a trend in cliche stories?


#7

Do you think there is a difference between a predictable plot and a cliche - predictable plot?


#8

Um, I personally don’t. I think to say it’s predictable is just another way to describe something as cliche hahaha


#9

It could be a fascinating read if I ever finish it, lol.

I could probably give more than a few examples of a trend in cliché stories but for now one that seems to consistently trend is pregnancy clichés. You could literally add pregnancy to any story. gang stories= pregnant by gang leader, creepy teacher/student romance= pregnant by teacher .


#10

whoa man there are so many overused cliche plots on episode. The worst ones are the pregnancy ones and the bad boy ones. Dont even get me started on the pointless love triangles and squares with dumb female MC’s that make the worst choices possible. like jesus christ i wish these writers would learn how to be creative. For once I would like to see a strong female lead that doesnt let men walk all over her for the sake of having a companion. The glorification of dysfunctional relationships is ridiculous. LAWD MAKE IT STOP. It will only end if writers as collective change whats trendy. okay rant over. :smile:


#11

ah yes, the worst choices that make me just want to throw my phone. Why do you think Authors give the choice in the first place if they always plan on the choice not mattering?"


#12

1》Clichés are overused concepts that are very present on stories of specific genres and subsequently become easily recognizable for the reader. That can result on a predictable and uninteresting plot.
2 and 3》 Some cliches are appealing for many people, for example the “Evil Villain” in Disney movies. They use the same type of characters because the audience enjoy their involvement in the plot and their antagonistic personalities.
Other cliches are considered negative, like the classic princess archetype Disney would use decades ago. This type of character became boring to the audience, mainly due to a change in media and society. That’s why Disney replaced this cliche with stronger and more independant princesses like Mulan.
Cliches adapt to what the public desires, and eventually, some cliches “die”.
4》 I think that’s because the forums are often used by authors instead of readers, so the anti cliche opinions are more common. It is good to have a community like this, but I feel that sometimes there are too many disputes about it.
5》 Yes, especially if something has succeded using a specific cliches.
6》 Yes, but cliches aren’t always bad. A cliche can be well written. The problem is when it is superficially portrayed.
7》 I think it has to be copied too many times that it becomes predictable.
8》 On Episode: The plot wasn’t a cliche, but the story was poorly developed and the characters were based on common archetypes.
8a》 I love sad stories or stories that deal with common human feelings and issues.
My favorite cliches are the cliches that are related to villains in fantasy stories.


#13
  1. My definition of a cliche is a trope in a story which has been overused to the point that it is predictable. Often the cliche becomes so recycled that it becomes almost impossible (or the job of a specialist scholar) to identify its origins.
  2. People know they are writing cliches if they are writing things which have been produced and reproduced in different stories throughout the same medium - or even across various media. If there are plenty of different stories with the same tropes, discussion and criticism through a community can identify them as cliches.
  3. I think there is a demand for cliches because they can be very powerful and useful - especially for comedy purposes and to turn it on its head when the audiences least expects it. People like a little familiarity in the unfamiliar territory of a new story, and that’s what a cliche can offer.
  4. I think the forums are so anti-cliche for a few reasons: most importantly, in my opinion, is that the Episode-brand of cliches can often be very counterproductive and toxic. For example, bad boys promoting bad relationships. Also, stories are often packed with cliches which can make them very predictable, uninteresting and repetitive. People want to find stories that are different and unique. Often, cliches promote people to be presented in stereotypical ways too. It’s never good to portray a group of people as a stereotype. We’re all different!
    4a) I think it can be changed if we promote good attitudes to people, call attention to stories that have fewer cliches and generally encourage more accepting, less stereotypical attitudes.
    4b) the forums have been this way for as long as I remember. In general, humans tend to dislike it when a story is packed with cliches, so it doesn’t surprise me that Episode is no different.
    4c) I think it’s a little on the fence. As I said before, cliches can be great if you know when to use them and how to use them - especially as a joke! Maybe they also point to how we think as a society too! However, it is advantageous to comment on the overuse of cliches and how that can kill originality.
  5. Definitely! For example, the “sensitive” bad boy or the antagonistic “popular girl” who has no character development whatsoever and no reason to be a *****.
  6. Yes, the whole story itself doesn’t have to be a cliche and often it isn’t. It’s aspects or “tropes” within the story. It’s only a really bad (or deliberately funny) story when it is in itself a cliche.
  7. It becomes a cliche when it frequently uses “tropes” that are common to that particular genre or type of story. The idea itself could be somewhat done before (no original story is exactly identical to what came before it), but if you look at all the stories in that genre and notice reoccurring tropes, that’s when it becomes too cliche. You can, for example, have a romance story on Episode that focusses on living with your crush (been done time and time again), but not have that cliche accidentally-met-in-the-bathroom scene.
  8. I don’t think many stories are cliches themselves, but rather they have a lot of cliches in them. My first one did for sure! I’m a sucker for a nice guy gets the girl story.

#14

ah yes the villains.

Do you want to give an example of an episode - cliche that has died?


#15

yes, I 100% agree with number five, I just hate when the mean girl hates on the new girl for no reason. Like if anyone did that to me in real life, I would like … probably ask if I’m being filmed?

Anyway, do you think 100% of the time people know they are writing cliches?


#16

I think the “princess” cliche has died. It is still present, but I remember there used to be more “popular” stories with that plot!


#17

I think some people do, but they don’t care. Others don’t realise that there is an issue with cliches in stories or even that cliches exist. Often you try to avoid them, but because we’re so familiar with them, they’re what’s normal for us! For example, as @LumTwo said, there used to be a princess cliche. I have to say my story is also a story about a princess and it didn’t occur to me that it was a cliche when I started writing it. However, it’s not a complete cliche because it’s actually about a princess who gets disowned and sent to a prison school. There are so many cliches to remember that it can get a little tiring and really difficult to figure them all out!


#18

Closing due to one month of inactivity :slight_smile:


#19

Awesome ~ now it’s all mashed together if anyone would like to discuss :slight_smile:

EDIT : lelmao says this post is 4 months later - - – the power : )


#20

A cliche is a story plot in this case that’s overrated
People write these cos they think their story will get popular
If unique stories are publicised then surely it will disappear
We’re done with the same main character who is shy, and turns popular overnight , of the mc who takes abuse from her gang leader boyfriend.
i don’t think so
I still don’t think so
Not being able to being open to other stories.
They’re typically written badly.
No
To the point where it oversaturates the community and takes over the top stories
Nope haha
Nah