Discussion: What are your opinions on It Starts With A Bra?

I haven’t read the story but at the end of the day, I think it’s not Episode but the readers. There are simply too many people who enjoy a story to stop from making them. Episode and the top writers make the stories that will sell. You have to start at the bottom (the readers) to get change if that’s what people are aiming for. There are many posts about people saying there are unique authors but people aren’t reading those stories or more people are reading the featured type of stories. It’s really the readers deciding what gets published next.

Also I want to be clear that I’m neutral because I don’t have enough experience with these genres or stories to have an opinion either way. I’m just commenting on the featured aspect of it.

In addition, it’s a societal and psychological aspect. The trope of bad boys and good girls exist because it sells because people want it to. You see in movies, tv and books. I think the bigger question should be not what is Episode promoting but what’s happening in high schools that makes certain stories more appealing. What do they like about them and why? That’s something that I think deserves to be examined.

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That’s a good point. When I was younger, I also sought for stories which depicted another world different than that of my own. Although I have to admit, examples like “It Starts With A Bra” shouldn’t be commercialized for young girls to fantasize about. In real life, being with a “bad boy” would be abusive and I wouldn’t want anyone to be hurt thinking it was normal behaviour. :frowning:

Kind of irrelevant but I learned this in my children’s advertising class. There’s this term called KGOY which stands for Kids Getting Older Younger which basically sums up what you just said about how kids nowadays have “fun” by trying to be an adult–older than they really are. It’s some fascinatingly sad stuff.

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Unfortunately, outrage also equals money [not to say you’re raging, but a term for the result of this discussion thread]. Because then, either way, both sides would be talking about the story. Maybe Episode is doing this on purpose? Highly doubt it but the story certainly rubs me the wrong way.

What’s the point of having rules when Episode broke all of them? Fingers crossed this is a ploy to discuss unhealthy stereotypes.

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Before I say my opinion, I want to thank you for saying ‘Do not attack or flame anyone for their opinions, for they are their opinions.’ because I’ve seen a post where the person who created it and others kept bashing ‘It starts With A Bra’. They were saying it was against the episode guidelines and a bunch of other stuff. But I guess it’s whatever since they were just saying their opinions, (even though they would get mad and start a big argument over someone else disagreeing).

Do you like or dislike the story? I like it, it’s something I’d continue reading.

What do or don’t you like about the story? I like the fact that the love interest keeps on outsmarting the MC (her reactions are hilarious, since she doesn’t curse) and she’s going to extreme measures to embarrass him. Overall, it’s funny.

What message do you think it sent? I’m not sure. I don’t think it has a message, it seems as if the story was made for fun. But if it had a message, I don’t think they would be encouraging something like that.

Do you think the story is appropriate for most Episode readers? Yes and no. Yes, because a lot of people on Episode LOVE stories like that. No, because there could be younger kids reading the story and they would be influenced by the story, since it seems like there’s no consequences for anyone’s actions.

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Reposting something I consider important:

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I completely agree on every point you made. I absolutely love the story.

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Thanks! :grin:

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I’m glad. There’s a lot of people who do love this story outside the forum too. And I’m happy with that. :slight_smile:

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If a guy, hot or not, is suddenly in my room the next morning with my bras…you best believe I’d strangle him with it.

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I’m really glad to see that the people who like this story aren’t being shamed for it. And in turn, that the people who like it aren’t getting mad at the rest of us for speaking out against its problematic nature.

Honestly, the real issue here isn’t the people reading and enjoying it, it’s that adults allowed it to be published in the first place despite its depiction of cyber bullying, adult themes, and glamorisation of breaking and entering and theft.

A story about a prank war between the MC and a bad boy sounds great. That prank war doesn’t have to involve illegal activity and bullying. It doesn’t have to involve nudity with sexual allusions (to be honest, I don’t think 13 is too young to be exposed to nudity and sex as long as it’s not pornogprahic or abusive in nature, but that’s a discussion for another time and the issue is the hypocrisy of Episode breaking their own guidelines).

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I have made a fair few posts on this thread and i that time, after continuing to read the story to see how it goes my opinion has changed. I don’t see it as so bad. Sure a boy appearing in your room in the dead of the night with your bra in hand is eyebrow raising and having it hung on the school flag pole, but in all honesty it isn’t too bad. People need to stop thinking of a bra as sexual, it is just an item of clothing and can be as simple as that, it doesn’t signify sex. And sure, maybe episode has over used bad boys, but it is what sells to the audience,the term bad boy can be used pretty loosely, here I would he is nothing more than a boy at mischief. It isn’t encouraging bad behaviour, sure he is pranking her but it is kind of harmless how it is written.

So to my first post on this thread, in which I have deleted (I think), I judged before develving too deep which was not fair on this story.

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I agree.
I think as the story is going on and on. I’ve seen a much more positive review on it , on many sites I see lots of people enjoying it.

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Thts not playful. Stealing someones personal items. So if he stole her diary would that be playful and light hearted. A bra is still underwear (and imo can be/is pretty sexual. Even if its not its still something u dont want hung on display) He had no reason to even be in her house in the first place and the 1st thing he does is go for her under garments…no

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Yeah I agree! If they went with harmless pranks and a lot less sexual implications, I think a lot of people would of been more okay with the story.

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True I get what your saying, but a bra doesn’t have to be sexualised, some people just decide to, and I get that breaking in the house and stealing it is bad, but there could be a lot of worse things. Teenagers are immature and will often do stupid things, that’s just a fact.

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Look if you like the story I respect your opinion and I don’t mean to attack you on your opinion. While yes a bra is just clothing, it’s still an intimate object to steal. But a lot of the complaints about it being sexual comes from the excessive nudity and omg I wish the best friend would shut up. Like I get it, you like sex do you ever talk about anything else? Like I get there are censor bars but we still know their naked. I think in general the story is getting a lot of bad negativity because people feel like it’s breaking the content rules and I agree. Especially the nudity and whole don’t encourage bullying. Both the MC and the bad boy go too far to in my opinion and if those pranks happened in rl, adults would of been called in.

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Thank you! My thoughts exactly! I can’t understand people excusing everything wrong Episode is doing with “it’s what sells”, “it’s popular for a reason”, “you conform to the market or you don’t”. That doesn’t make the outrage any less valid and whether the product “sells” doesn’t matter when it comes to ethics.

When did Episode care so much about what “sells” to the point of throwing away their common sense in what’s right to write and promote? Did it start with the arrival of INK? What happened there?

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Stealing a bra is not flirting-- it’s sexual harassment. Taking pictures of a girl sleeping is not funny. It’s creepy, stalkerish, and NOT HOT. Stop saying that guys pick on girls who they like. There are no redeeming qualities of the so-called “courtship” between the main character and the bad boy. Even the possible alternate love interest has huge flaws. Not only was he involved with the prank, but he ALSO seems to have held feeling for the MC and STILL said nothing to his friends against it. Being a bystander is JUST AS BAD as committing the actual crime. By not defending the MC, the “golden boy” is basically saying that stealing a girls bra is fine.

And don’t get me STARTED on the gay best friend!
He holds NO PURPOSE in the story besides the fact that his sexuality adds “diversity” to the story. When people ask for diversity, they don’t mean they want EVERY WORD THEY SAY to be about what makes them diverse. Every line the GBF says is about him liking guys. GAY PEOPLE DON’T SPEAK LIKE THAT. I’m gay and I find it hella annoying when people write gay characters so one dimensional. Strive for diversity but don’t just throw things in for diversity’s sake.

Off topic: THERE ARE LATINAS/LATINOS WHO DON’T USE SPANISH. You don’t need to PROVE to us that they are diverse. We have eyes. I just find it funny when readers overcompensate to prove they can write diverse characters.

But honestly I hate this story. It feels like a pervy 80’s movie that would be shut down in .3 seconds today. Do better. Write a bad boy that fights FOR the character. They can still bicker, but not over respect. Also guys bragging about their dicks as they hang out and not letting you leave is not hot. It’s scary. It’s sexual harassment. Do better, Episode.

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Exactly! When Episode is aiming their app at 13+ audiences, they need to identify their own responsibility to produce and endorse content that fits this age range. They can’t just abandon this responsibility because they want to… for money!

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