Rules Around Using Episode Art Assets and Community Edits

#697

I would say hidden assets would be forbidden in this hypothetical scenario, as they would be anywhere else.

I see what you are saying, but I would weigh the needs of the community against the off-chance of someone outside of it creating an account because they just had to have Episode edits for some weird non-Episode-related reason. What’s to stop this same theoretical random thief from creating an account to access the portal, stealing backgrounds from there, and distributing/using them wherever? Who’s to say that someone who obtains a background edit from a one-to-one share through DMs won’t turn around and stick it on Instagram? I get that they want to draw a line somewhere, but drawing it so that it fully excludes their own forums does not seem to me the most productive solution.

#698

Sure, this is all possible, but I think having a forum with a login requirement kind of takes away Pocket Gem’s ability to control this kind of thing from happening.

It’s possible someone could share a background from a one-on-one edit and distribute it, but in this hypothetical scenario, it would be easy to take control of the situation. The creator of the edit might be upset that someone they trusted is violated the TOS with something they took the time to make themselves. I imagine that same hypothetical editor would feel pretty slighted, and wouldn’t hesitate to either make them take the drive down, or report it.

Sure, there’s a chance the editor doesn’t care, but I imagine someone who sends someone one of their edits trusts them to honor the TOS (even though no one is perfect) and doesn’t want to risk their work being removed from the app.

And while we’re Episode’s customers (and as a business, they should take our wants and needs into account for customer retention) they still have legal obligations, and these are always taken into account when making decisions related to our experience on the app. They have to think about a hypothetical person who isn’t honoring the TOS. In terms of users, Episode has seen some significant growth, and there’s a pretty good chance that the situation could get even more out of hand that it already has.

Even if they wanted to do something like this, it would require A LOT of behind the scenes legal work. They would need to make significant revisions to their legal documents and they would need to work closely with their legal team to make something like this happen.

Bottom line, it’s not an easy solution, and forum users make up a small segment of their customer base. It’s pretty unlikely to happen.

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#699

Oh, for sure! I appreciate your thoughtful response, and I think you make several good points. Ultimately, I’m not convinced, but my ability to remain unconvinced is probably meaningless, as Episode clearly has already made their decisions, and it’s pretty far from what I suggest.

I suppose for me I have trouble seeing why the degree of trust Episode has for its community by allowing us to access assets through the portal would not be extended to a section of the forum with limited public accessibility which they themselves moderate.

My example of the edit pulled from DMs was meant to show that these scenarios would still lead to the to the public sharing of Episode assets… less meant to comment on violations of editor trust, though those editors would of course be within their rights to be annoyed by this kind of dishonesty.

If Episode is giving users access to assets (via the portal) to produce their own content, they are already opening themselves up to the possibility of dishonest people exploiting that. I suppose I see the designation between “we trust people who pull our backgrounds from the portal” and “we don’t trust people who pull our backgrounds from our moderated forums” as somewhat flimsy. The only solution that really insulates them against exploitation of assets would be flat-out doing away with the ability of users to create their own content, which would be a terrible move. As it stands, they open themselves to certain risks already, so I guess that’s why I don’t see the forum scenario as particularly more risky.

#700

I can understand where you’re coming from.

I guess the reason I’m not particularly moved by the decisions Episode makes is that at the end of the day, they’re a business. Of course, they care about keeping us happy, because they retain customers and generate revenue for themselves. But as a business, they still want to protect their own assets. So, that means considering any and all hypotheticals. I

Sure, they have opened themselves up to risks with their portal, but it’s clear that they’re making efforts to regain control. You can edit Episode backgrounds for personal use, meaning for yourself and a few friends. It becomes an issue when you widely distribute it and/or sell it. Right now, they’re focusing their attention on making sure this doesn’t continue to happen.

Having a forum would slow down these efforts and make it more difficult to control. They’ve already realized the risks they’ve opened themselves up to, and they’re taking the best courses of action that could prevent something like this from happening again. That’s why I doubt they would make a private forum for something like this.

I understand that, but my point still stands. Basically, I believe your scenario has the potential to trigger an emotional response from the editors; causing them to snitch on the person, or make them get rid of it. I know I would. Furthermore, one-on-one sharing could probably slow down this kind of thing. If I shared an edit I made with a friend, I catch them promoting it on their drive on Instagram, you can bet that I will demand that they take it down before more people open up the link. There will definitely be people that will do this with one-on-one sharing, but it will be easier to catch than one person distributing it widely.

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#701

Yeah, ultimately, that is what it comes down to. And I do understand why they would want to protect their copyrighted material. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable concern for them to have at all. It seems like any system they come up with has shortcomings, as the goals to (1) keep the community happy and (2) to protect their intellectual property often won’t align very easily. To some extent, whatever proverbial line in the sand they draw will, depending on one’s perspective, seem like it could just as easily be nudged in one direction as it could another.

#702

Can peeps be able to use their own background they made themself or not??

#703

Yeah, as long as it doesn’t have any copyrighted material in it or violate any other terms, that would be allowed.

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#704

Good to know, thankss!!

#705

If only there was a place where editors would be able to upload Episode’s edited assets, it will be the a place where redistribution is allowed and of couse it would be for personal and non-commercial use. Please make a portal for community to share the creativity like otherrs have suggested, it would be greatly beneficial for us.
I think the only issue would be when non-episode assets are used with Episode’s assets, but we can work with this am sure. And anything is more helpful than nothing. :disappointed_relieved:

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#706

People who are complete outsiders of the Episode and the community can get a hold on Episode products without knowing the original artist - the Episode artists that REALLY created the backgrounds here and not us who simply edit it. Some people in and out of Episode could claim Episode products, which is theft. Episode is letting it known that we should be respectful enough to prevent that since it’s not fair to the original artist.

We can edit and share but as long as it is only on the Episode forum by creating threads, like cinnamon_toast and many others, in order to provide more edits to people who want to use your content. Also, you CAN use and share your drives IF AND ONLY IF YOU GENUINELY CREATED THE PRODUCTS – hand-drawn and self-made-- NOT edited content. That’s what I take from it.

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#707

Hi! What about backgrounds that I bought and therefore have license over them?
Can I upload them? If so how can I note Episode about it?

#708

Crisp and precise.
Delivers what it aims to.
Really informative,