I was thinking about this!
Also they’re only banning diesel cars around the city central area where the air is “most polluted”.
But I don’t think they’ve fully thought about people’s circumstances .
And for a ton of people, like my family, we probably won’t even be able to make enough from selling the car to get a new one. Something tells me they haven’t thought this through >:T
Ahhh, I watched that documentary on meat production!
And it made me think… companies really should just say that their veggie patties are beef.
What they don’t know won’t kill them xD
For example, in the documentary this guy was taste-testing an alternative meat pattie and claims that it was too dry…
BRUH, STOP BEING SO HARSH! MCDONALD’S PATTIES ARE DRY AS PAVEMENT ON A HOT SUMMERS DAY SO STFU- Ahem
So yeah, I think by just telling a person that it’s a veggie pattie will change their opinion on it. Maybe they’re proud to be a meat eater? I know alot of cultures have meat in their dishes so maybe we think of it as part of our identity?
Welp, doesn’t matter either way since the UN won’t allow companies selling their meat alternatives labelled as Beef, Pork, Chicken or any other meat.
Which is super annoying because are you trying to save the world or save your McDonald’s burger?
Now I know, I KNOW! It wouldn’t be great to label the meat alternatives as “meat” since that’s just basically lying to your customers but we have to do something!!!
I’ve been watching Andrew Yang. I’m a right-leaning centrist, but hes really interesting. Since trump’s the only one running rn as the incumbent, there aren’t a lot of options on the right to choose from. His views seem pretty reasonable, for the most part.
An article from a newspaper journal might not be the best, or at least shouldn’t be considered alone.
I went to the website PubMed, which is a website where basically are studies, scientific studies on veganism and other subjects can be found - like everything, it has to be considered with an objective eye, and you should read many studies.
This one sounds really interesting especially compared to the newspaper article which is, like it has been said, biased. https://www.nature.com/articles/1602522
What does it show? The environnemental impact of omnivorous, vegetarian and vegan diet - each diet is considered two times, one time with conventional agriculture (and farming for the omnivorous one) and organic/sustainable agriculture. The NORMAL one is what an individual of Italy consumes in general. It is an study based in Europe.
So, while I like to discuss and inform myself I’m still pretty ignorant in several matters so I’ll leave other people discussing them. Those are however my two shots (and conclusions) about this whole topic:
About 71% of the carbon dioxide pollution is caused by around 100 companies. This means that even if every single person in this world becomes sustainable, we’ll still be fckd without boycotting those companies, one of the biggest ones Coca cola. I haven’t drank it for years for health problems, but the problem with that company goes far beyond their plastic packaging. Coca Cola has been stealing water from other countries for ages, when felt threatened, they kick started a false campaign against global warming when they’re the cause of that! Just like Nike that is “trying” to be eco friendly while owning sweat industries. We have to collectively look over the false campaign they’re doing, we’re dying, we have a countdown over our heads yet we’re still trying to justify our bad habits (and trust me, I’m one of these people).
Recycling plastic isn’t a long term solution, plastic can be recycled only for a limited amount of time before it becomes useless and unusable. We need to start thinking beyond that. It happened when we found out about the harm that carbon was making, we can do it again. This can either be a little bump in our way in order to become better beings or it can be a stupid mistake that we made that will cost our life. The Earth isn’t dying, we are. The Earth will only shake us off and heal again. It happened five known times, it’s happening right now for the sixth. While it’s essential to praise the little actions someone does daily, we also don’t have to forget that one action isn’t the end of our commitment. If someone’s vegan that’s good, but that doesn’t immediately make you eco-friendly. There are a thousand things we can do, yeah, we can’t impose this to country where there aren’t many resources as it was caused by first world ones, but let’s not forget that in war zones or extremely poor ones McDonald’s doesn’t even exist. A lot of people needs some of those harmful things in order to survive. For example some disabled people needs plastic straws as they can seriously injure themselves with metallic ones. We need to change in order to give them the possibility to deliberately use those, something like the heard immunity we created thanks to vaccines.
The real problem is how little all of this costs and how convenient this is for the poorest. We seriously need to do a drastic change on how we handle money, I’ll never understand why we think is ok to find free food and to sell it, harming whoever can’t afford it. We shouldn’t pay to live, we shouldn’t pay for food and water, this is our needs, we’re still animals and we still need to survive. Money should only apply to “privileges” such as a bigger house, expensive or branded stuff, things that we don’t need to survive. I’m not an anti-capitalist and not at all a communist, my worse flaw is that I’m a huge shopaholic, so I can totally see both sides and I feel like the best we can do is to find a common ground so everyone can somehow agree on that. Homelessness shouldn’t exist, hunger shouldn’t exist, global warming shouldn’t exist! This is all man made, we’re stuck in a law we imposed ourselves.
Lastly, who knows me probably already knew that this was coming, but political geography is a complete bs. We don’t need wars, we don’t need more racism nor patriotism. We used political geography as an excuse to invade other countries, it used to be useful but we’re beyond that. I’m human, I’m an Earthling, I’m equal to everyone else before being anything else. Political geography is pointless, the power of a country is measured by how much if harmed other countries. Let’s not forget our past but let’s not be stuck in that, we need to move forward, we need to evolve our mentality otherwise we won’t ever become better.
Those are my opinions, thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
Companies really should label it as a beef patty but it’s actually veggies! (Of course there will be legal issues though as mentioned) But many people wouldn’t notice because it actually tastes so good and similar. People need to get used to the idea of change. The world is a stubborn mess atm.
So true, McDonalds meat is dry and bland! Nothing to gain there.
I can’t speak for America but in Australia’s 2019 election, if you looked at the “What We Stand For” pages for each major party, there was a pretty clear distinction between the guys who had all these clean energy bills and whatnot planned, and the guys who were like “ehhh, the coal industry is big money for us, climate change is like… whatevs bro”.
The latter won
There are politicians and govts around the world who are doing good work. Jacinda Arden is awesome over in NZ. Germany’s on it. Sweden’s been on it for decades. Voting is important.
Okay, I admit that my inital response was very half-hearted, so I’ll explain what my view is. I’ll put all this under a dot point so there isnt a lot to scroll by.
thanks for reading
I don’t think going vegan is bad. I do believe that the meat industry is affecting the environment badly. However, I don’t think its smart to be very specific and blame a majority of these problems on meat and think going vegan is going to magically solve our problems. Because it most likely wont. I think people need to look at the broader picture and think of broader solutions.
The problem I have with ‘vegan being a solution to global warming’ is that its unrealistic and carries its own potential risk if becoming the main diet for a majority of the population. I believe an underlying cause of many issues is overpopulation. In relation to the meat industry, meat is in high demand because of the large population. If a vegan diet became the majority, how can we be so sure that it wont have similar effects of the meat industry? Having to constantly supply for the high demand in the agriculture industry will affect soil fertility and natural resources.
My point is: the problem isn’t the meat industry, or veganism. The problem is the people. This planet has such a large population and we demand a lot from our environment and barely sustain it in return. Therefore, how can we rely on everyone turning vegan if that carries its own potential risks?
dont analyse these sources too much! I just wanted to add these to show 1) overpopulation is the broader problem and 2) veganism solving global warming is just unrealistic and carries its own potential risks. We need to examine these problems from every angle and look for the best possible solution!
I said before that the meat industry is affecting our environment, but we dont need to force or guilt people into cutting their meat diet to save the planet. Cut down on your meat intake; be more sustainable (stop using plastic!); plant trees; donate to environmentalist organisations that want to make a change; switch to renewable energy.
Just want to mention - I didn’t want to post this comment to get into a forum debate I dont have the time or energy for that. I just want to share my opinion.
Thats not giving people choice. Thats infringing on peoples rights. People have a right to know what’s in what they’re eating and they have a right to choose what to eat. We cant force something that other people aren’t down for. Its ethically wrong.
Me! I’m not really allergic to veggies but my body doesn’t absorb nutrients properly (on the majority of them) so basically eating them or not is completely pointless for me. Some veggies are actually deadly to me so, please, don’t take the idea of “switching burgers” any further, I personally don’t like nor eat burgers but if it’s ok for them they’ll start doing it for everything
Yeah going vegan wont solve climate change, but it will make an impact. Half of our beef comes from different parts of the world and turns out to be from one of the biggest sources of the air we breathe. Such as the Amazonia and the great beerier reef. We depend on the air the amazon gives us, not even just us, the species living there. Made a home there. Veganism won’t solve global warming, climate change, deforestation, but will help us build a better sustainable life whilst being friendly on the environment.
I’m not saying it won’t do any of that. Please don’t invalidate my response. Besides (I’m not saying people in this thread) people have said that veganism is the solution. What I was trying to say is that overpopulation makes it harder for veganism to have a significant impact. If the whole population relied on a vegan diet, how will our already-struggling farms fare? It’s only going to cause more problems. There needs to be an ethical and sustainable balance. That’s all I’m trying to say. This is just my opinion. I don’t expect you to be swayed by it.
btw I just want to apologise for the tone of my message. reading over it, it felt very passive aggressive and accusatory and that wasn’t my intention at all. so I’m very sorry.
Veganism isn’t « the » solution. As I said before, it is important to see it as a tool, and not as thing on itself. The goal shouldn’t be « to go vegan », the goal is having less negative impact on the Living as a whole. Turns out that veganism is a tool that helps for human’s health too, as shown by many studies, and on an ethical matter, it saves animals’ lives. While we all seem to have our own ethics, I won’t extend on this subject, because as an anti speciest i believe in the right of every animal to live, and no, when I step on an ant by accident, I never meant consciously to harm any living being and veganism isn’t about stopping every harm because it is simply impossible, it is about reducing as much as possible, and eating animals and their products is not needed for most people, so why continue?)
It might sound harsh, but being only vegan is not enough especially now that we are facing more and more issues. but being vegan is one of the greatest tool.
Also, do we really care about the farmers when our whole earth is at big risk? This is a real question, I am not saying that we shouldn’t in this way, but it is possible to form them into doing another job and to form them in the field of agriculture instead of farming. As the time goes, some jobs disappear and are replaced by others. I don’t think this is a solid point.
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I dont have the time or energy for that. I just want to share my opinion.