There is No Planet B

That’s cool, how do you feel?

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Eh. We have like 4 cars now… my parents don’t wanna sell any of them but i don’t know if that’s good or bad… the oldest car we have is 12 years old- and it holds a special place in my parents heart because they got it a few years after they had me

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They are as they’re new, but hopefully they’ll become cheaper as they will be more used. I was super happy to see other brands starting to switch to electric cars, I’m hopeful that in some years they’ll be the same price as gas cars

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Someone said here that humans were carnivores.
Humans are in no way carnivores.
Humans are omnivorous animals. What does it mean? It means that we CAN eat everything, and not that WE HAVE to. Technically you can eat your shit, but will you? No, because eww.
We don’t need meat. We need what is inside of meat. Nutrients, vitamins… just as we don’t need plants as plants. We need what’s inside.
You can find everything within plants if not vitamin B12.
Yes, you do find B12 in animal products. Why? Because it is implemented in most of the products. You’re eating animals and animals products who have been eating B12. Only cows produce B12 in their stomach in a certain quantity themselves. But we still give it pretty much to the others animals from the farm.
What is B12? This doesn’t come from neither plants nor animals, it comes from the soil, the ground. You should eat grass and dirt to have naturally some, don’t wash your potatoes dear lol.
Do your researches seriously. It’s easy to find that veganism is bad because the majority of the world isn’t, read studies and don’t get biased by the fact you don’t want to change. Majority of people can be vegans, some cannot for real reasons. But there is a big chance that you can become one and just don’t want to.
Veganism isn’t the finality. Veganism is a tool to protect the Living as a whole. You can be vegan, eat local, and do so much other things. You don’t have to buy exotic stuff to survive being vegan.

For the other person who said that if we shouldn’t eat animals because they’re living beings we shouldn’t eat plants: animals eat plants, and animals like cows or whatever are eating way more plants than a vegan eat… don’t forget that the « food » you eat has been raised for months and has been given food and water too. If plants do feel - and for now it has not be proven at all - well you kill less plants by being vegan.

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I was waiting for you :joy:

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Lmao I AM READY TO DISCUSS FOR OUR DEAR PLANET ZEY, DO IT WITH ME

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So true.

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God damn it we could just eat soil

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Yeah… But then how would the plants grow? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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our crap… :joy:

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In Europe we live in green cities. Everything around me is green. Forests and mountains surround us, when I walk kids to school there’s a tree every meter of my way.

We separate waste and we learned 30 years ago to not throw trash on the ground.

There are many vegans and vegetarians between us, and that’s ok. But those who aren’t - there’s nothing wrong with it. Nothing will go wrong if you eat meat!

Our world survives on ecosystem: animal eats animal, animal dies, organisms eat dead meat, plant drinks water from ground with organisms in it and gives us air so that animals can breathe. If one link of this chain is gone, destroyed, so is our world.

What is wrong is cropping forests, that act is destroying our ecosystem. Without forests around us, we won’t have air to breath.

Millions years ago Earth was populated with giant trees when giants were walking on the Earth.
Man came and cropped those giant trees, what’s left of them today, are mountains that surround us. :heart:

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Just came across this thread and wow :star_struck: I love dis thread. :sweat_smile: might need to invest in some things and stop using plastic bags :flushed:

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That’s true but the chain is already somehow destroyed as humans are mass producing animals in order to eat them. There are far more pigs, cows, chickens than any other animals because we need them to eat.
Animals lived freely and happy before us, if we suddenly disappear they won’t even notice, even if we’re currently on top of the chain

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So I think one thing that could help is demonetizing recycling. Where I currently live, you have to pay ridiculous amounts for trash bags from the government and they have to be separate trash bags from the recycling trash bags which cost just as much. It’s about ~4USD for like ten bags. That’s only the “burnable” bags. Then the recycling bags are also about the same. We’re not allowed to throw out trash in grocery store bags, etc. (and you have to pay ~.05USD/grocery bag-- I know in the states you also have to pay for bags in a lot of places. I think it’s $0.25/bag in Washington, DC).

Anyway, so because you can’t use the bags that you’re already paying for and then have to pay for trash bags rather than recycling the first bags to begin with, it results in a) a lot of unnecessary waste and b) creates incentive not to recycle due to the expense of the bags. I know that I, who can only afford to live off of ~8USD/day after paying rent, can’t really afford to buy both kinds of bags and I know a lot of people in the same/similar position.

Essentially, what I’m saying in my six o’clock gibberish, is that financially, a lot of people are being put in a position where they cannot afford to worry about the cost of recycling when the question of food (and therefore life) is far more imminent. I’m saying this and I live in a highly developed country with one of the highest standards of living in the world and have access to more resources than probably 80% of the planet. To someone living off of even less a day subsisting off of next to nothing, the burden would be even more troublesome and such a thing may come off as more of a “first world problem” so to speak. Don’t get me wrong, I’m absolutely not saying it isn’t an issue, I’m just saying that what do you do when faced with the well-being of your children?

Final Point: In terms of going vegan, it’s often unrealistic. Even living in the US last year, I know people who struggled to maintain their diet due to inadequate access to vegan options and that was on an incredibly liberal college campus that brags about having zero carbon footprint. Here, I know people who have scrapped the idea altogether because of the expense. (Most fruits and vegetables are imported or highly regulated by the government and therefore very expensive, leaving very few options for adequate nourishment.)

Obviously, I’m not suggesting not to do these things, I’m simply attempting to address issues that may not otherwise be presented. I, myself, am not vegan/vegetarian for a variety of reasons and have no intention of changing that anytime soon. That being said, my electricity is turned off every time I leave home and I walk everywhere.

Any thoughts? Any solutions? (Please do not comment on me or my personal decisions, but on the issues that I have drawn attention to.)

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Fast Fashion is so bad for the environment.
From the work conditions children go through to make these clothes to the insane waste of clothes we no longer wear. Clothes also claim to be eco friendly when they’re really not.
20% of the global industrial water pollution is used for garment manufacturing.
85% of the water used in textile processing actually goes into dying fabrics which pollutes our water.
715 gallons of water is needed for one cotton t-shirt.
1,800 gallons of water are used to make one pair of jeans.
1.3 trillion gallons of water is used each year just for fabric dyeing alone.

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Alright, I know this is a little bit off topic but yesterday I just had this thought. What if in a few decadesthe earth will be two stories high! like we made these HUGEE ass “poles” and then build a concrete floor with glass windows in it… like… 0.0

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Another huge issue are micro-plastics. Every plastic product that claims to be “bio degradable” don’t ever fully degrade itself but it’ll turn into imperceptible plastic fragments. Those micro-plastics are in the food that we eat, in our bodies, in our clothes, everywhere. Green washing put us into this reality, then we ask ourselves why we get sick so easily :woman_facepalming:t2:

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I knew water was used by billions of people, but that is freakish large.

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To be honest,

We are all fucked

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If 3.5 billion people can change we’re not.

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